Concealed Carry University
"Not Great... EXCEPTIONAL! This training set is a must see for anyone considering a concealed carry lifestyle. And it's a great resource, inspiration, and eye-opener for those, like myself, who have been carrying for many years."
- T. Cunningham
RESPONSIBLY-ARMED FRIEND:
DON'T PAY $250/hr FOR CONCEALED CARRY TRAINING THAT ONLY TEACHES PEOPLE HOW TO LOSE.
The Unvarnished Truth about Concealed Carry Education and Training:
"Let Me Show You Why Upwards of
90% of Mainstream Concealed Carry Training
is (at best) INADEQUATE...
...and (at worst) DETRIMENTAL to Our Safety, Survival, and Effectiveness:"
...and (at worst) DETRIMENTAL to Our Safety, Survival, and Effectiveness:"
To: YOU.
From: Patrick Kilchermann
founder of the Concealed Carry University
host of The Guardian Broadcast
Producer and host of the 3 SECONDS FROM NOW combat dynamics series
creator & author of 'The Complete Concealed Carry Guide' and 'Master Handgun Accuracy'.
To my fellow Responsibly-Armed American,
Aside from my role as a husband and father of four, I have one passion in this life:
"Helping people to develop a sense of CONFIDENCE while carrying concealed - one that is born of a actual, true READINESS to face the kinds of violent threats that we Americans are most likely to encounter."
And I've known that I was built for this kind of work since a very young age.
That said: when I started out, I never would have imagined HOW I'd end up preparing people. I never would have imagined, for example, that I'd be the one to ultimately found The Concealed Carry University, or that our training would take the path that it's taken.
You see, when I first started out, there was essentially ONE accepted way to prepare people for concealed carry and armed-defense:
Put them in front of a target along with a handful of other students... and then walk them through a series of shooting drills. (like what you see here).
If you have enough time with them? Do what you can and try to get them to the point where they can draw and fire from concealment...
And the 'be all, end all' of armed-defense preparation, they say..?
"Pushing people through tournament style shooting courses, where they are forced to move, use cover, reload, and shoot at multiple targets." (like this:)
There were just a few problems with this notion
of what constituted 'excellent' (or even adequate) concealed carry training...
- Real-world armed-defense situations are, statistically, over and done with in roughly 3 seconds.
- In a real-world self-defense situation, nobody follows you around with a buzzer to tell you when to draw and fire.
- 76% of real-world situations begin with the criminal threat being the first to use force.
- Bad guys DON'T stand still.
- Bad guys DO shoot back.
But even if this kind of training WERE the 'be all, end all'...
- 95% of American's armed Guardians have absolutely zero access to training like this.
But the (often tragic) fact is...
Range training Can Only go so far with preparing a person for surviving the real world...
Years ago, I walked away from a wonderful career inside the firearms industry and founded my Concealed Carry University for two reasons:
#1 - To be able to spend more time at home with my young family.
and
#2 - To dive head-first into trying to decide how and why good guys performed so poorly in self-defense combat compared to the violent criminals they face.
I was tired of watching them fall. I was tired of driving by signs dedicating freeways to yet another officer who was killed in the line of duty... outgunned in situations they should have been prepared for.
est. 2013
(And this frustration says nothing to my eagerness to drill down and share everything I'd learned in my career about how we should gear up for concealed carry -- studying the firearm choices, caliber choices, carry position decisions and holster options out there!
Because these things matter.. there are a lot of poor choices... and these decisions deserve their due time and attention.)
IN SHORT:
"I Felt A Personal, Moral Duty To Uncover and Destroy The Armed-Defense and Concealed Carry Deficiencies & Myths That Were Costing Good People Their Lives."
So... I hit the books.
.... And by that I mean: I became the owner of perhaps the largest collection of Sim force-on-force combat equipment in the country and even hired a skilled fighter full time. (That's me on the left, overcoming an attempted hold-up scenario: 7 hits without getting hit once!). My goal was to hit this problem hard, for years, to learn the answer to this pressing question:
WHAT WORKS? .. AND WHAT DOESN'T?
"Through all of that... I Discovered That There Are TWO LAYERS of Concealed Carry Readiness FAILURE Taking Place All Across The USA..."
The first layer of failure is...
Very few people who carry concealed have an accurate idea of how violent criminals think and select their victims, or how violent crime tends to happen... or what will happen to them during one of these attacks...
... and because of this, the way we as armed Americans tend to practice and train with our handguns is inherently fractured and flawed.
I call the ingrained assumptions that most people have (where the criminal threat will be 'down range' and where our job is only 'to draw and shoot to stop the threat') "FATAL GUN RANGE CONDITIONING."
"FATAL GUN-RANGE CONDITIONING."
For just one example, take a look at the 'brutal truth' about combat handgun accuracy in the USA, as demonstrated by TRAINED and QUALIFIED police officers in New York State.
Remember - if they shot HALF this poorly in qualification, they'd never be allowed NEAR a pistol.
What you're seeing here is the result of people learning the hardest way possible that 'being good at the range does NOT imply that you'll be good on the street.'
"But The Real Horror Came Through What My Team and I Discovered When We Analyzed over 1,000 Use-of-Force Videos Caught On Tape..."
This second layer of failure is...
Even in those rare instances when the criminal threat DOES more or less stay 'down range'....
... and even when he DOES more or less stay stationary...
Even the best trained and most qualified good guys are STILL prone to HESITATION... LOCKING UP... or outright FREEZING in our moments of truth.
This happens to privately-armed concealed carry Americans like you and I just as often as it happens with trained and qualified police officers.
At first, this problem was vexing. It confused my team and I.
But after all our work.... it made perfect sense. The light-bulbs turned on as we made the same realizations that you're undoubtedly making (or have recently made yourself).
That, in short:
Our Nation Has Gotten Very Good At Training and Practicing Handgun Target Shooting....
...But We Have Barely Even Begun Preparing People For Concealed Carry Or Armed-Defense Survival!
“Why do good guys keep having to learn lessons the HARD WAY...
...And pay for our country's lack of GOOD TRAINING on this subject with their lives?”
Well… The deeper I dug the more disappointed I became.
It seemed to me that the general consensus among the people who HAVE this information (the expert trainers) was that…
A: It’s either privileged information that only those in the upper echelon of law-enforcement (or other trainers) are entitled to…
or
B: “That average Joe Permit Holder simply can’t handle this information. They aren’t ready for it. They want to strap on a gun and say: ‘There! Problem solved!‘”
And one of the most frustrating attitudes I encountered was that “Hey – if that’s what people want, let’s give it to them.”
“Let’s keep making handguns smaller and easier to carry – never mind that they’re also getting a lot less useful – and let’s keep dumbing concealed carry training down further and further.”
And that is exactly what has happened.
"A Critical Lack of Education for the Privately-Armed Citizen…"
Concealed carry training has been dumbed-down to the point where according to the general consensus, the only training we need is to remember this:
"If I'm under attack, I'll shout "stop or I’ll shoot!", and then I'll shoot to stop the threat.
But because you’re still with me here, I know you see the devastating fault in this attitude.
I know that you understand – like I do – that saying “shoot to stop the threat” is like saying:
“Hey – calculus is easy. Just solve the equation! That’s all you have to do – solve the equation!”
Meanwhile, the honest and savvy individual is thinking....
Okay… how?!
You know as well as I do:
There are some very important Mental and Physical Abilities We Need to Have BEFORE we Are truly READY to “shoot to stop the threat.”
The bottom line is, when they said that people like you and I shouldn’t have this information, or that we aren’t ready for it, I disagreed wholeheartedly.
I believe we Americans are a nation of warriors, and I believe that those with the desire to carry concealed should be enabled and empowered because it’s my belief that good guys with guns are one of the last remaining lines of defense in this country...
…and make no mistake, there has never been a greater need for an educated and responsibly armed population than there is right now:
"When they said that people
like you and I shouldn’t have this information or Training, (or that we aren’t ready for it), I disagreed wholeheartedly."
I disagreed with these naysayers wholeheartedly, and so I set out to prove two things:
First, that achieving a level of effective self-defense could be relatively easy.
It doesn’t have to become a lifelong chore where you either choose between accepting weakness and vulnerability OR allowing self-defense preparation to consume your entire life.
I wanted to prove that not only could gaining the mindset and training be easy and fun, but that it’s much easier than most people imagine to equip yourself with a handgun that is comfortable, concealable, as well as effective at getting the job done.
But I also wanted to prove that I could make this education and information so accessible and understandable that ANYONE could benefit from it and incorporate it into their lifestyle, regardless of their existing skill level, or their health, age, or disability.
I wanted to build an education tool that would take someone with an advanced degree of gun handling and concealed carry skills and make them even more effective, just as well as taking someone who is a complete beginner and making them truly effective and confident as well.
I wanted to prove that all this could be had not by spending thousands upon thousands of dollars for one-on-one classes held halfway across the country which require weeks of your time...
…but instead, that this information could be obtained for far less than the cost of your handgun itself, and could be taught on your own time, in your own home.
I took it upon myself to create this education mechanism, and after assembling a crack team and investing thousands of man-hours into study, research, demonstration and training, I believe we have.
When we finally cracked the reality on what Effective Concealed carry
training should look like ...
(which took as much time in the Sim arena as it did studying human conflict psychology...)
... We realized that an entirely new approach to becoming responsibly and effectively armed was needed:
Essentially, we needed an approach that helps us become ultra-effective warriors while maintaining a clear, level head. We needed training that would allow us to avoid violence whenever possible, but overcome, defeat, and survive violence when we can’t avoid it.
This realization led me to a concept I’ve spearheaded through the Concealed Carry University called “The 3 Pillar Approach to Effective Self-Defense.”
The 3 Pillar Approach
to Effective Self-Defense:
See, most people who carry concealed are unknowingly unprepared to defend themselves because they’ve failed to look at concealed carry holistically. They don’t look at the big picture.
STEP 3: GEAR UP.
STEP 2: LEARN WHAT ABILITIES YOU NEED.
That’s why guided training based in reality is the SECOND PILLAR of effective self-defense. Only after you know what to practice and how to prepare can you take an honest look which guns and gear will best serve you. And when you do, you’ll quickly see that at least 60% of the guns and gear out there being pushed are nothing more than gimmicks designed primarily only to make people FEEL safe.
What about the first pillar?
We know the 3rd pillar can’t exist without having already built the 2nd pillar. But which pillar must be built even before we can begin our physical training?
We know the 3rd pillar can’t exist without having already built the 2nd pillar. But which pillar must be built even before we can begin our physical training?
STEP 1: GET A 'WARRIOR MINDSET.'
Without having the Warrior Mindset in place, excellent training and a reliable gun are useless. That’s because it’s the MINDSET that enables you to react prudently and swiftly in the moment that lethal force becomes required to save your life or other innocent lives.
The Mindset is what separates a sheep from a sheepdog. The Training is what makes a sheepdog dangerous. The Gear is what amplifies that sheepdog’s effectiveness.
And unless all Three Pillars of Effective Self-Defense are built equally strong and equally tall in our lives, our ability to defend ourselves and other innocent lives is at risk of toppling over.
I believe this shift in thinking is a critical element in the decision to become effectively and confidently armed.
The Mindset is what separates a sheep from a sheepdog. The Training is what makes a sheepdog dangerous. The Gear is what amplifies that sheepdog’s effectiveness.
And unless all Three Pillars of Effective Self-Defense are built equally strong and equally tall in our lives, our ability to defend ourselves and other innocent lives is at risk of toppling over.
I believe this shift in thinking is a critical element in the decision to become effectively and confidently armed.
THAT ALL LEFT ONLY ONE QUESTION...
WHAT'S THE BEST WAY
TO OBTAIN THIS
EDUCATION & TRAINING?
ENTER... MY Solution.
What we’ve built is a 7-Part training program that you can do at your home, called “The Armed American’s Complete Concealed Carry Guide to Effective Self-Defense.”
IMPORTANT NOTE:
Due to the COVID-19 PANDEMIC having closed our assembly facility (and the fact that nobody wants to receive mail right now anyway), we have converted our In-Home Training into Digital-Delivery / ONLINE training.
It's the same training course, but instead of receiving DVDs, you will get instant, online access through our private, online training website.
(Plus: you'll be able to get hard-copies for only the cost of Shipping & Handling when we resume shipping later this summer).
This is a program that we have strategically designed to guide you through the process of building up and cementing in three strong pillars of effective self-defense in your life: the warrior mindset, the skills, and the gear and equipment selection.
And even though this training program contains 20 hours of charts, graphics, explanations, concepts, lectures, demonstration, case studies, real-life scenario breakdowns, and tons more – one of my biggest priorities during the production of this program was that going through the material would be a warm, fun experience for the viewer.
We’ve already put this in the hands of thousands of armed citizens, and the reception it’s been getting is incredible. It’s making big waves in the industry already. Here’s what a few recent “graduates” from this program have had to say:
We’ve already put this in the hands of thousands of armed citizens, and the reception it’s been getting is incredible. It’s making big waves in the industry already. Here’s what a few recent “graduates” from this program have had to say:
"This is by far the very best training course I have ever seen. It takes you through everything in great detail and shows you the reality of what a concealed carry individual is up against and how to train and deal with a real life threatening situation."
– A. Gonzalez
"As a former military combat soldier I have previous experience with deadly force and various weapons. I found this course to be very comprehensive for armed citizens to learn the skills needed to survive a deadly encounter."
– A. Brinkman
"Out of all the training I have submitted to over the years, Patrick Kilchermann and the Concealed Carry University provide, in my opinion the most complete course for the mental, legal, and physical preparation of becoming a legally armed citizen who will take the measures necessary to protect, themselves, their families and the public at large when necessary."
– C. J. Fiandach
"I can’t tell you how impressed I was with Patrick who developed and presented this program. He is extremely knowledgeable and has a tremendous amount of passion that is contagious. I truly feel that he wants me to succeed and to do it right."
– A. Hunt
– E.G.
"I think the first 3 DVDs should be required viewing for anyone of any age because it is the most level-headed real world description I have ever heard about how violence actually happens and how to avoid it."
– A. Gonzalez
Alright, now here’s something I have to make very clear upfront:
First, this is not an extreme training program. We’re not trying to turn you into a Navy Seal here. That said, when you finish what we’ve laid out for you here, your mindset, skill, and gear will be on par with some of the best out there.
Second, this program is for people who are ready to set aside anecdotal stories and pursue self-defense truth. It’s for people who know or who are ready to believe that ‘magic bullets’ and ‘one shot drops’ don’t exist. This program is for people who are ready to go to the next level.
And finally, this is not a beginner training program, and it’s not an advanced training program. This is a COMPLETE training program. What that means, is that regardless of where you’re at on the skill spectrum, you’re going to be challenged, pushed, and lead to a whole new level of readiness and confidence in yourself and your skills.
You will find no hard-nosed opinions in this program. We have no agenda other than to arm you with the truth. This program was not sponsored by any major or minor equipment manufacturer. We didn’t receive even a single penny from any sort of sponsor or advertiser. All you will get is the truth.
This program is based on stats compiled by thousands of armed self-defense encounters and attacks. In addition to the vast wealth of knowledge derived from the stats, you will see all of our citations and stats themselves, such as:
When violence is most likely to happen… Where it’s most likely to happen… Who is committing most of the violence, and what these criminals look like.
You will get the nitty-gritty statistics on gunfights themselves:
The average distance between the good and bad guy (or bad guys) during an attack… How long a violent attack or gunfight lasts… How many attackers there usually are on average… How many shots are fired… What percentage of those shots hit versus the percentage of those that missed…
And that's just the tip of the iceberg.
Okay – at this point, I’d like to explain in greater detail what you will see, hear, and learn from each of the seven discs of this program to help you make the decision that’s right for you.
Okay – at this point, I’d like to explain in greater detail what you will see, hear, and learn from each of the seven discs of this program to help you make the decision that’s right for you.
But there's also a good chance that you're ready to invest in the Complete Concealed Carry Guide.
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The Complete Concealed Carry Guide is broken up into three parts.
Part One covers the first pillar: Mindset, and it’s made up of two discs:
- Disc 1 is called Building Your Mindset Foundation: Destroy The Top 15 Myths That Make Effective Self-Defense Impossible For Most People, and…
- Disc 2 is called Conditioning the Warrior Mindset: How The Correct Mindset Is What Separates Survivors From Victims.
The first task of Part One is to build the warrior mindset.
Having this mindset in place helps:
Having this mindset in place helps:
- Eliminate the natural human tendency to freeze when under attack.
- Gives you the mental fortitude to withstand the psychological pressure of a violent attack.
- Gives you the lightning intensity of a natural born fighter, so you can respond to an attack effectively.
- This mindset renews your motivation to carry concealed, and
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Keeps you balanced mentally by helping you set priorities, and see clearly where concealed carry fits into your life.
The second role of Part One is to enlighten you on what violence is, the different types of violence, how violence works, and how you must leverage this knowledge in an attack.
- Being enlightened on violence helps you detangle and understand what is happening during an attack.
- Why your attacker is doing what he’s doing, and what you must do to thwart and defeat that violent mental and physical energy.
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And when you learn these truths about violence, you will no longer have a disproportionate fear of criminals – because you will get it.
You will see them for who they are.
The third role of Part One is to bust the myths and misconceptions about concealed carry, self-defense, guns, and gear.
- You will learn the truth about the top myths surrounding self-defense, concealed carry, guns, and bullets, so that you can be fully aware of the realistic strengths and vulnerabilities of your body and gear.
- Myths and bad intel make preparation impossible, because they send you in the wrong direction, so that the harder you work, the less prepared for reality you are.
- But building your mindset on truth ensures that you are preparing for what you stand the greatest chance of facing. And you will smile when you hear people discussing:
- The “mysteries” of stopping power,
- One-shot drops,
- Brandishing,
- Shooting to wound,
- Warning shots, and everything else that most armed citizens are afraid of and uncertain about…
You’ll smile, because YOU will now know the truth.
And the final role of Part One is to educate you completely on concealed carry, guns, bullets, and self-defense.
But most importantly, when you finish Part 1, you’ll have the action-oriented mindset of a truly effective armed citizen.
When you’re finished with part one, you can move on to Part Two – the second pillar of effective self-defense, the training.
Part Two contains three discs called:
When you’re finished with part one, you can move on to Part Two – the second pillar of effective self-defense, the training.
Part Two contains three discs called:
- Disc 3 is called AVOIDING A GUNFIGHT: Situational Awareness Skills, Avoidance Tactics, The ESCAPE MENTALITY, and the Shoot or Don't Shoot Test, and…
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Disc 4 is called THE FIRST 2 SECONDS OF AN ATTACK: Understanding the Dynamics of Violence as Used by Criminals and How to Respond for Success
- Disc 5 is called FINISHING THE FIGHT: The Principles of Handgun Combat That Every Armed American Must Know
The first role of Part Two is to drastically reduce the odds that you’ll ever be attacked.
- It accomplishes this by teaching you how to turn on and crank up your situational awareness skills, to give you the ability to see danger in advance.
- Part Two will equip you with the knowledge of where and when violence is most likely to happen,
as well as the crystal clear signs to look for that indicate that a person or situation or crowd is about to become violent. - It will arm you with the body language and attitude techniques that make you a very unattractive target to predators and criminals,
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…and it will educate you on some “Jedi” techniques for de-escalating angry, threatening, or dominant people.
The second role of Part Two is to put you through the “first 2 seconds” boot camp, so you can learn:
By the time you finish, you’ll be able to draw your gun while moving, and put accurate shots on target within the first 2 seconds of being attacked, and you will have a crystal clear understanding of why this ability makes you five times more likely to survive a violent attack than the average armed citizen.
And for everything you learn, you’ll learn how and why most armed citizens who try mastering these important skills go wrong, and in doing so, make themselves worse off.
And for everything you learn, you’ll learn how and why most armed citizens who try mastering these important skills go wrong, and in doing so, make themselves worse off.
The third role of Part Two is to teach you the gun fighting skills and strategies for finishing the fight.
Part two contains over 7 1/2 hours of concealed carry training and self-defense instruction.
It will serve as your complete guide and road-map for mastering handgun fighting, regardless of what sort of physical shape you are in, or how old you are.
When you are finished with Part Two, you can move on to Part Three, where we cover the third pillar of self-defense, the guns, gear, and equipment involved with concealed carry.
Part Three contains two discs:
It will serve as your complete guide and road-map for mastering handgun fighting, regardless of what sort of physical shape you are in, or how old you are.
When you are finished with Part Two, you can move on to Part Three, where we cover the third pillar of self-defense, the guns, gear, and equipment involved with concealed carry.
Part Three contains two discs:
- Disc 6 is called The Armed Citizen’s Tools and Gear: How To Effectively Evaluate All Gear, and How To Select A Gun, Caliber, Ammunition, A Carry Position, and a Concealed Carry Holster, and…
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Disc 7 is called The Armory: Evaluating Extras (From Spare Magazines and Flashlights to Memberships and Attorneys), Gear Maintenance, And the Physical Effects of Bullets.
The first role of Part Three is to teach you how to evaluate guns and gear based on the demands of reality, rather than appearance or gimmicks – which wind up fooling most armed citizens.
- By memorizing our Three Filters of Self-Defense Gear Evaluation, you’ll be able to throw 60% of the guns and gear out as junk, without even picking the gun or gear up, let alone having to go through the process of buying and trying it.
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And by measuring your current or future gear against our “reality filter”, you’ll always know that you’ve got a gun, carry position, holster, and ammunition that won’t let you down.
The second role of Part Three is to dive deep into the important things we need to think about when deciding on every aspect of concealed carry gear.
And that’s just the first chapter on handgun selection – the first chapter of 20.
- How to choose where on your body you carry your gun.
- How to choose a holster.
- How to decide on a caliber, where we show you various bullets hitting simulated tissue at 15,000 frames per second so you can see how much damage these bullets do and don’t do.
- How to choose what ammunition to use.
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And the facts on all the accessories like lasers, pepper spray, tazers, flashlights, training accessories, air soft training devices, memberships in organizations, and self defense attorneys.
By the time you finish Part Three, you will be an expert!
The third role of the two discs of Part Three is to teach you how to maintain your concealed carry gear, so that it’s always ready in perfect working order at the drop of a hat.
The third role of the two discs of Part Three is to teach you how to maintain your concealed carry gear, so that it’s always ready in perfect working order at the drop of a hat.
- We’ve got a 40 minute demonstration on how to completely disassemble and thoroughly clean your handgun, and how to spot the signs that it’s time to perform this deep cleaning.
- We demonstrate how to perform the weekly 60-Second Functionality Check, and we discuss why this is so important to do.
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We go over holster maintenance and warning signs, ammunition rotation and warning signs, and magazine maintenance and warning signs.
Part Three is over 6.5 hours long. We cover it all, and when you finish Part Three, you’ll be vastly more educated than 90% of trainers, and 95% of the people working behind the counters in gun stores.
Okay. It's Go Time.
My Promises to You:
If you decide to take this journey with me and try our program, I hereby give you my word on the following items:
- Lifetime Guarantee: IF you do not believe this was one of the best investments you’ve ever made into your personal security, THEN I want you to have your money back. End of story!
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Lifetime Customer Support: We’re not hiding behind a publisher or anything like that. This is program was researched, developed, produced, and sold “in house”. And absolutely: we have our own customer support team. We’re here in Michigan every weekday, and you can call us at 616-805-9008, or email us at Contact@ConcealedCarryConfidence.org.
TAKE ACTION TODAY:
Alright – thank you so much for reading this letter, and for considering taking the 3 Pillar Approach to Effective Self-Defense through our COMPLETE CONCEALED CARRY GUIDE.
From one warrior to another, I hope you decide to take this journey with me.
Patrick Kilchermann
CCU Founder
– Vern M.
"Pat provides an all-important section on how to avoid a lethal force situation in the first place, something extraordinarily important in this day of increasing criminal and civil prosecution."
– Charles Haibel
"Conceal Carry University has prepared me to be responsible and prepared. It has also made me aware of things I would have never known on my own"
– John Solter
"If you are a female who thinks she might want to carry a concealed weapon you need to watch these videos!"
– Gypsy
"As Patrick says, there are no “do overs” in a gunfight, so buy this set and increase your odds dramatically if you ever are left with no other option."
– Jim A.
"I wish I had purchased this program BEFORE I began my concealed carry decisions… most of them were based in the myths which this program dispels.“
– E.Parks
"It will help you find the right equipment for you personally; gun and caliber, holster, lawyer, spare mags, and anything that you are going to need to protect yourself."
– Eric Day
"I was in law enforcement for 20 years and thought I knew all there was to know about self-defense with a handgun. Boy, was I wrong!"
– Johnny Caswell
"I was looking for something more than just the concealed carry class I took. This is exactly what I wanted and it is worth at least twice the price."
– Scot G